The insanity is getting worse, and it will lead to mass murders

Glenn Beck is at it again. He sure keeps the wingnuts busy salivating on every insane word that spews from his evil, lying mouth...

In a Washington Post op-ed last month, Simon Greer — the president and CEO of Jewish Funds for Justice, an organization that helps people achieve social and economic security by investing in healthy neighborhoods — bluntly rebuked Glenn Beck for his war against social justice.
“Mr. Beck, you are a con man and America is not buying it,” Greer wrote. “When churches, synagogues, mosques, and other houses of worship across this country advocate for social justice, advocate for the common good, advocate for America, they, and we, walk in God’s path.”
Yesterday on his radio station, Beck responded the only way he knows how — with hyperbolic, extreme rhetoric referencing Nazi imagery. Beck said that Greer’s advocacy for the common good and social justice “leads to death camps.” “A Jew, of all people, should know that,” Beck added. “This is exactly the kind of talk that led to the death camps in Germany.” (Media Matters has the audio.)
After hearing Beck’s radical rant, Greer responded with this statement yesterday afternoon:
Glenn Beck has a history of recklessly invoking Nazi Germany and the Holocaust in order to advance his political agenda. But never before has Beck accused Jews – including survivors of the Holocaust and their children and grandchildren – of paving the way for fascism. Through his comments, Beck has demonstrated that he has no idea what leads to fascism. Jews and others, who were victims of the Holocaust, do not have the luxury of his ignorance.
Beck’s reflexive hatred for government is rejected by Americans of all backgrounds, who have seen the powerful role government can play in providing us with greater freedom, security, and opportunity. I am proud of the work we do at Jewish Funds for Justice, where our belief that we are all made in the image of the divine compels us to petition private enterprise, charities, and yes, the government, to do their part to ensure our shared divinity.
  Mocking Beck’s Nazi obsession, Comedy Central’s Lewis Black commented, “Glenn Beck has Nazi Tourette’s.”

And this from Media Matters:
If you wondered how long it would take Glenn Beck to make his simulation of President Obama pouring gasoline on a person look comparatively tame, the answer is about 13 months. Welcome to the meltdown. It isn't pretty.
Apparently feeling pressure from an investigation by Rep. Anthony Weiner into his promotion of Goldline and ongoing scrutiny from Media Matters and others, Beck uncorked an impressively paranoid conspiracy theory this week. According to Beck, the SEIU, AFL-CIO, Van Jones, Jim Wallis, the White House, Rep. Weiner and Media Matters are engaged in "Alinskyite" plots that seek to "destroy" him, his family, Fox News, Christianity, and the Founding Fathers.
Though all facets of this conspiracy theory are equally absurd, it's worth noting that Beck's call to "leave the families alone" rings especially hollow when viewed in light of the fact that earlier in the same radio show he suggested that Sasha and Malia Obama think "Jews are destroying the world" because they were exposed to Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Later in the week, he mocked 11-year-old Malia for several minutes on his radio show by impersonating her voice and saying things like "Daddy, why do you hate black people?" He proceeded to attack "the level" of Obama's daughters' "education." Despicable -- and entirely in character. While Beck subsequently apologized for his comments mocking Malia Obama, he has yet to address the balance of his attacks against the first family.
Earlier this week, while lauding his supposed Nostradamus-like ability to predict future atrocities, Beck suggested that his detractors merely rely on labeling him crazy, rather than factually debunking his paranoid ranting. Trying to "factually" debunk ideas like a widespread progressive effort to destroy Beck's family and the Founding Fathers is akin to trying to debunk the conspiracy theory that the world is actually controlled by shape-shifting lizard people: It is self-refuting ridiculousness.
And while the idea that nobody can refute Beck on factual issues is a good line for his viewers, it simply isn't true. Here are several examples just from this week.
Yet, Beck's factual inaccuracies pale in comparison to his recent use of violent rhetoric. Starting with his speeches at Liberty University and the National Rifle Association two weeks ago, Beck's fearmongering about impending violence from progressives has reached a fever pitch.
During a tear-soaked, unhinged commencement speech at Liberty, Beck told graduates that they "have a responsibility" to speak out, or "blood ... will be on our hands." His advice for graduates (as well as his daughter) included "shoot to kill." He also claimed that God installed an "alarm bell" in people that is telling them that "your rights are being taken." If you were wondering which rights these might be, he cleared up any confusion later that night during his speech at the NRA, when Beck agreed with Mao Zedong that "power comes from the barrel of a gun," and then asked the audience, "Why do you think they want to take yours away?"

Amazing as it may be, we have bloggers amongst us who hang on every word Beck says. That cult called Liberty University having Beck as commencement speaker, speaks volumes about the insanity coming from wingnuts these days. The things this man says in public, his inciting violence is getting worse. So you righties who believe this insane lying mother fucker has every right in our free country to spew hate, you are the ones with blood on your hands! The Beckster has it wrong, the progressives are the peaceful party just working to help America get back on her feet, his party is the violent party! Unfuckinbelievable, when I read that idiots words over and over, I'm horrified some Americans applaud him and believe him. It's like they see God  playing with plastic toy soldiers and he wants us to be his soldiers and murder each other. These people are SICKOS and they are soon to be "Murders for God". That will be their defence, God told them to do it.....

Latino voters will decide, will the GOP become null and void?

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How do you think the righties are "gonna get right" with the latino voters? Looks like maybe we liberal bloggers can relax and have some fun because the GOP are doing enough damage to their party to last for generations. They have tried everything in their book of tricks to win over the people, starting with fearmongering and ending with Obama the anti-christ. They are null and void... ain't life grand!!

They are scrambling, It's too painful to watch... But please do!

The GOP, once again is trying a new "old" tactic, they are calling it  A Contract for America, part 2. They have mega plans to take over like they did in '94. Rep. Boehner was on TV talking about it. He looked and sounded dreadful, more orange than a jailhouse jumpsuit! He said they don't know just yet what will be in the contract...Good grief this is pathetic....


 Over the past couple of years, Republicans have repeatedly rolled out new plans, projects, ideas, and websites to claim that they’re going to “listen” to the American people:
National Council for a New America: GOP leaders launched this initiative last year to revive the Party’s image and “listen” to the American people. But the group is now defunct, after holding only one town hall meeting at a pizza parlor in Alexandria, VA and coming up with no policy positions.
GOP Platform 2008: During the 2008 campaign, the GOP launched a website to solicit ideas for the Party’s platform.
Rebuild The Party: Republican activists led by RedState.com founder Erick Erickson started “Rebuild the Party,” a web movement meant to “set in motion the changes needed to rebuild our party from the grassroots up, modernize the way we run campaigns, and attract different, energetic, and younger candidates at all levels.” The group has only 8,846 members.
The Republican National Committee was widely mocked when it launched its new website that touted “a whole new experience” that would reflect “what is going on in the streets.” It featured a blog authored by Chairman Michael Steele called “What Up?” (which was later changed to “Change the Game.”) The site even featured “Faces of the GOP” seemingly meant to show regular GOPers from around the country, but it actually includes a collection of RNC interns.
Matt Yglesias guest blogger (and former ThinkProgress writer) Ryan Powers notes the flaw in the GOP’s new attempt to listen to the American people. American Speaking Out “is all kind of a farce and House Republicans won’t incorporate anything they don’t already agree with.” Indeed, as McCarthy’s spokesperson said, “It’s not ‘American Idol’, where whatever gets the most votes automatically wins.”
Ben Smith notes that the top vote-getter so far is to “DEFUND, REPEAL, & REPLACE GOVERNMENT-RUN HEALTH CARE.” Another policy proposal offered on the site: “Repeal Section II of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.”


Project chairman Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) lays out details in this video....



hear that? They have their principals, Hmmmmmm, coulda fooled us! The sad thing is, the GOP really hasn't a clue how to fight against this Obama administration, but they want you to trust them to eventually come up with some ideas. OR better yet, they want your ideas because they HAVE NONE!! Haven't they proven that time and time again! It's all so pitiful....

UPDATE: I found the orangeman video...Joe Scarborough speaks here too. He is a GOP'er I can actually listen to without gagging.

They just love TRYING to make President Obama look stupid, But it always backfires...

I  had a long talk with my son tonight, he is a fan of Fox noise, especially Bill O'Reilly. I convinced him to give Rachel Maddow a try, for at least a week, to get a different perspective on politics AND TO HEAR THE TRUTH!

Here's a good example of the way Fox misleads its viewers,

FoxNews.com edits out applause during Obama’s West Point speech.

In his commencement address to graduating West Point cadets on Saturday, the President outlined his upcoming national security strategy that is focused on international cooperation to meet the nation’s security challenges. He also praised American troops for their performance in Iraq. “A lesser Army might have seen its spirit broken,” he said, adding that “through their competence and creativity and courage, we are poised to end our combat mission in Iraq this summer.” At that point, cadets and the audience applauded for at least 12 seconds (starting at roughly the 10:24 mark here). However, as Michael Moore observed, video from the speech on FoxNews.com edits out that applause entirely, making it appear as if Obama is bizarrely staring silently for a long period of time. The audio is cut(starting at the 0:44 mark) for the 12 seconds of applause, and then skips to another part of the speech.



Media Matters’ Jamison Foser asks, “Now, maybe Fox didn’t intentionally remove the audience applause. Maybe Fox’s video used a direct feed from Obama’s microphone, and it simply didn’t pick up audience noise. But if Fox didn’t intentionally try to make Obama look silly, why did it choose a 2-minute clip — out of a 32-minute speech — that portrayed Obama looking silently around the room, seemingly for no reason?”

Trivial you say? NO,  Just another reason to hate Faux Noise...

Don't let the right take us backwards...

 After being refused service at a Greensboro, North Carolina Woolworth's, four African-American men launched a protest that lasted six months and helped change America.



This paragraph was written by our friend Rational Nation on his blog today. I asked him if he believed discriminating against blacks, treating them like second class citizens (I actually said dogs) was threatening their pursuit of happiness. I believe it does. Refusing to seat a black man at a lunch counter in the 60's could have led to his life being threatened, if he had fought back. Making the black man feel less worthy then the white man in my opinion does threaten his pursuit of happiness. Maybe I have more empathy for the struggles and pain our black citizens had to endure.
Hopefully these people who seek leadership roles in our government, who have NO empathy for struggling minorities, get rejected by the American people.

RN: "Before I start first let me reiterate I am a solid believer in the principals Rand Paul was addressing after his primary win last Tuesday in Kentucky. 

The principal of private property, whether it be individual or business, and the inherent right to do with it as one pleases in so long as it does not threaten the life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness of another is a valid ethical and moral principal. Period. Government has no ethical basis on which to interfere."

Sorry RN, we don't need to go backwards in this country. We want "progress", not "oppression".

Representitive McClintock to President Calderon: "Fuck off Please"

I do not think I have commented on politics since the election of Obama. I have avoided talking about immigration since it is a polarizing issue in which a person is either a racist or a foreign insurgent depending on which side you take. I must also necessarily view people entering from Mexico as either illegal immigrants or the vulnerable poor. There is however, an issue which I think is worth a short blog post.

Imagine that it is the 1960s. We are deeply embroiled in the civil rights turmoil. The dixiecrats in the south are still pulling for Jim Crow, while representatives from various groups are campaigning for reform for what they see as racial injustice. The arguments are deeply impassioned on both sides.

Then, one day, a representative from South Africa comes before congress. He lectures the dixiecrats and anyone else who supports Jim Crow. He, a foriegner, has important insight on American domestic policy. He says the dixiecrats must change their mind and change their laws. Jim Crow, he explains, is a racial injustice in the United States. "All people are created equal," he says. Yes, he is a representative from South Africa -the country with the apartheid.

This is somewhat analogous for today. President Calderon of Mexico spoke before the American Congress on our immigration policy. McClintock, who made me proud to be in California, responded firmly, even-handedly, but with clear indignation. Among other things he noted: 1) It is rather rude for a foreign official to lecture another nation on its domestic policy. 2) Mexico's immigration policy is harsh and far more exclusionary than anything the United States has ever held, and consequently 3) The Mexican government is hypocritical.



Mexico's immigration policy, in my opinion, hurts the cause of its immigrants here. Calderon's rudeness does not help the poor of his country. If immigration rights "know no borders" or if "God created the earth for everyone" than that applies to Mexico too.

Much of Central America thinks of Mexico as arrogant and jingoistic. I am beginning to understand why.

Fox is promoting racism, surprised??

Since we are speaking about Libertarian Rand Paul and racism today, I thought this letter I received from Media Matters was interesting. I believe the right wingers better wise up or they will be a party of the past in the not so distant future.

Media Matters:
Yesterday, John Stossel took to the air on Fox News to defend the right to discriminate based on race. Yes, you just read that correctly. On Megyn Kelly's Fox News show, Fox News employee John Stossel said:
"Private businesses ought to get to discriminate. And I won't ever go to a place that's racist and I will tell everybody else not to and I'll speak against them. But it should be their right to be racist."
Stossel is only the latest in a long line of Fox News personalities to divide America along racial lines, and it needs to stop. We need to send a message loud and clear -- first to Fox, and if it's unwilling to listen, to the sponsors who support it:
Enough is enough: Stop promoting racism on your network.
But Stossel didn't just argue for the right to discriminate. He went a step further, suggesting the "public accommodations" section of the Civil Rights Act should be repealed, thus allowing businesses to practice racial discrimination. This is the section of the law that prohibits a lunch counter from refusing to serve African-Americans -- a practice which was commonplace when the law was passed.
The government, Stossel says, should be protecting the rights of businesses that want to discriminate -- not the rights of minorities facing pervasive discrimination.
Enough is enough: Stop promoting racism on your network.
This isn't the first time a Fox personality has treaded the line on race. Fox News operates under the direction of President Roger Ailes, a longtime political operative with a history of race-baiting and racially inflammatory campaign tactics. Glenn Beck, one of Fox's top-rated hosts, has repeatedly called both Barack Obama and Sonia Sotomayor "racists" who dislike white people and white culture, and hosts Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly have also stoked racial insensitivity with on air-comments.
It's not just the hosts: In just the past week, Fox has also provided a platform for the extremist anti-immigrant group Americans for Immigration Control, which has been linked to white nationalist groups and drawn fire from the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center for their anti-Latino rhetoric.
Enough is enough: Stop promoting racism on your network.
Now Stossel is adding to Fox's record of questionable rhetoric on race. At some point, this stops being a question about individual hosts or guests -- and starts to be a question about the whole network.
It's time for Fox News to be held accountable for the racially charged statements and racial insensitivity that it continually allows on the air.

Yes, the email is about Fox news and it's racial insensitivity, but what about those who are loyal fans of Fox? Why not speak out about these hosts and guests who stoke the coals of racism?
This is 2010, we have a half black president and some US citizens have "come out of the closet', they are having a real problem hiding their true colors...

Rand Paul proves what we've been saying...

 Is Rand Paul, Libertarian/Republican, following the teabaggers lead and showing some racism with his statement on the Civil Rights Act of 1964? Can you imagine if the problems with segregation, the horrific acts of hate against minorities, were left up to the states and there was no Civil Rights Act? I truely believe some states in our country would be conducting business as if it were 1950. Racism is alive and well in the USA.

I think Pauls extreme Libertarian views are far from main stream and Democrats will have no problem winning the Senate race in Kentucky come November. Teabaggers think they are on a roll, but I think otherwise.

Ezra Klein from The Washington Post says this....

It's safe to say Rand Paul's first few days as the Republican nominee for the open Senate seat in Kentucky are not going well. When you can't answer the question "Should [the] Woolworth lunch counter have been allowed to stay segregated? Sir, just yes or no," it's fair to say you're off-message.
Over at Right Now, Dave Weigel offers up the generous and, I think, correct interpretation of Paul's opposition to the parts of the Civil Rights Act that desegregated private businesses. "Paul believes, as many conservatives believe, that the government should ban bias in all of its institutions but cannot intervene in the policies of private businesses." And Weigel is right that this is not an unknown belief among conservatives: I've had this argument with some of my libertarian friends, and libertarians occasionally have this argument among one another.
So I take Paul at his word that he's not a racist. What he is, however, is an ideological extremist. He is so categorically opposed to public regulation of private enterprise that he cannot even bring himself to say that the Woolworth lunch counter should've been desegregated. Instead, he falls back on the remedies of the market: "I wouldn't attend, wouldn't support, wouldn't go to," a private institution that discriminates, he told Rachel Maddow. But he would let them discriminate. And in the segregated South, that would've been a perfectly viable business model for many, many very important institutions.
"I think what you've done is you bring up something that really is not an issue," Paul said to Maddow, "nothing I've ever spoken about or have any indication that I'm interested in any legislation concerning." That's actually wrong: Paul isn't likely to get the chance to modify Title IX of the Civil Rights Act anytime soon. But he will have to vote on quite a bit of legislation that uses the commerce clause to regulate private businesses. And that's why this matters.
Paul's defense of himself is that his take on the Civil Rights Act has nothing to do with race and so he is not a racist. But by the same token, the fact that Paul's view on the Civil Rights Act is so dominated by his libertarian ideology that he cannot even admit race and segregation into the calculus is exactly why this is relevant to Paul's candidacy, why it's an issue and why it's among the best evidence we have in understanding how he'll vote on legislation that comes before him. If this isn't about race, then it is about all questions relating to federal regulation of private enterprise. As a senator, Paul will be faced with that question frequently. And his views on it are clearly very, very far from the mainstream.


On another note...

I have just discovered a blog by a friend from long ago... to my delight too!

Mike and Jane Haslam trained for ordained ministry when I was doing my undergrad degree in Bristol. At the time a strong friendship was formed, which sadly over the years I have allow to drift.

Mike, at the time of first meeting, gave me so much - an acceptance that it is ok and right to grapple with faith, an introduction to 'Cry the Beloved Country' by Alan Paton following Mike's time in South Africa. It is a book that moved and continues to move me.

Mike expresses himself and the world well in art, and this deeply felt and richly lived spirituality in Mike left a lasting impression on me. In some ways perhaps Mike is responsible for my own explorations of the deep connexions between the twok which led to my MA.

Mike also gave me a very treasured gift - a stole which he made for me to wear as we celebrate the empowering of God's Holy Spirit at Pentecost. I love the movement and unbridled power of the design which captures both Mike's and my own experience and understanding (if that's the right word to use) of God's Spirit. I will wear the stole on Sunday, and every time I wear it I remember Mike and pray for him.


He also has a blog called 'Dawn Running.' Here examples of Mike's painting can be seen, his musings shared, and stoles can be commissioned and purchased. It is definitely worth a look. I find the stoles evocative, and an aid to powerfully communicate the profoundest mysteries of the God whom we have the privilege of serving.

Looking back... Looking forward...

I am well aware that my sabbatical blog has fallen dormant for a while, but I do feel that I need both there and here to record what my Sabbatical time has given me.

More than anything else the 3 months have given me time:

Time with my family
Time to myself
Time to rest
Time to recover
Time to renew
Time to experience
Time to have fun
Time to travel
Time to sleep
Time with others
Time to travel
Time to read
Time to think
Time to pray
Time to reflect
Time to plan
Time to speak
Time to listen

I guess more than anything else it has given me a chance to not just do all of that by time also to experience that profoundly in myself. I am not wanting or meaning to sound pretentious but it has given me time to become renewed and refocused spiritually, physically, mentally and emotionally. I can feel that in my body. I warned you it might sound pretentious!

Today I was presented the gift of time with a friend and colleague, David Brooke, with whom I did my post-Ordination training. David is now on Sabbatical himself and he stopped by our place to rest, recover and renew our friendship. David is cycling to Santiago de Compostela in north-west Spain and his blog about his long journey can be read here. The journey seems hardly all that I mention above and yet I hope and pray that he will, despite the miles he must cover, experience the list above deep within his being.

As I stand on the edge of the end of my time off, I am aware that together with my church, we stand on the beginning of something new that God is longing to do amongst us. Some of those new things will be small changes in our worshiping style, some will be encouraging involvement in deeper ways in the life of the church and community, but most of what lies ahead at this stage in unknown to me.

Now if you are a member of my church reading this you might be wondering why I had this time off in the first place if I wasn't going to come back with new plans and vision.

And yet, as we wait, like those first disciples, for the coming of the Holy Spirit, that is perhaps a clue to what we should be as of now. Those disciples were told to go and wait in a particular place for the Spirit's coming.

As we wait for the next phase of stage of God's plans amongst us we too must wait, wait on God. We must pray and ask him to reveal clearly to us his plans and purposes for his church here and for our wider community. Prayer must be key to discerning what God's plans and purposes for us are.

Another thing to mention is that I never hoped that I would come back with plans and new initiatives for I am not our church - we are. I hope that alongside the prayer will also come a long period of consultation with the church and the wider community as a means to discerning some aspects of vision and direction over perhaps the next five years.

Over my time away from parish ministry I have also reflected much on the meaning of our central act of worship - the Eucharist. One thing I have become clearer on though is the word Eucharist means 'thanksgiving' and the thanksgiving we are called to participate and share in is the thanksgiving of all creation for the saving love of God in Christ.

This thanksgiving is something that also spills out of a particular building on an particular day into the whole of our lives and from our lives into the whole of our existence.

As we seek God's continued leading of us in all things, here is the Wordle for Acts 2:1-21 - one of the key readings that we will use on Sunday.

The Coming of the Holy Spirit

2When the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place. 2And suddenly from heaven there came a sound like the rush of a violent wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. 3Divided tongues, as of fire, appeared among them, and a tongue rested on each of them. 4All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other languages, as the Spirit gave them ability.

5 Now there were devout Jews from every nation under heaven living in Jerusalem. 6And at this sound the crowd gathered and was bewildered, because each one heard them speaking in the native language of each. 7Amazed and astonished, they asked, ‘Are not all these who are speaking Galileans? 8And how is it that we hear, each of us, in our own native language? 9Parthians, Medes, Elamites, and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, 11Cretans and Arabs—in our own languages we hear them speaking about God’s deeds of power.’ 12All were amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, ‘What does this mean?’ 13But others sneered and said, ‘They are filled with new wine.’
Peter Addresses the Crowd

14 But Peter, standing with the eleven, raised his voice and addressed them: ‘Men of Judea and all who live in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and listen to what I say. 15Indeed, these are not drunk, as you suppose, for it is only nine o’clock in the morning. 16No, this is what was spoken through the prophet Joel:
17“In the last days it will be, God declares,
that I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh,
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
and your young men shall see visions,
and your old men shall dream dreams.
18Even upon my slaves, both men and women,
in those days I will pour out my Spirit;
and they shall prophesy.
19And I will show portents in the heaven above
and signs on the earth below,
blood, and fire, and smoky mist.
20The sun shall be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood,
before the coming of the Lord’s great and glorious day.
21Then everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”



I find it interesting that some of the stand out words in the wordle are 'spirit' 'heaven', 'filled', 'speaking', and 'men' (there is no gender specific point being made here. The 'men' are those in the crowd who are being addressed first as was custom in public speaking, and also the 'men' in the prophesy which he quotes are in a poetic way only a subgroup of everyone on whom and in whom the Spirit of God would fall and empower.)

God longed to continue the ministry of Jesus in all people. This would happen through people being filled with the Spirit giving them courage and confidence to speak of their, of our experience of God to all people... including us men!

John Lennon- Imagine

Leslie posted Lennon's Give Peace a Chance and made me want to join in with Imagine, one of my all time favorite Lennon songs. The guy was a musical genius, I fuckin love this song and could listen to it all day! Enjoy!





AWESOME!




I can't get enough!... Stand By Me...

Final Thoughts on Graduate School (Doctrina Suprema Qua Reppereram)

Abandon sageliness and discard knowledge, and the people will benefit a hundredfold.
Abandon humanity and discard righteousness, and the people will return to filial piety and care.
Abandon skill and discard profit, and there will be no thieves or robbers.

These three sayings:
They are are not yet sufficient for forming a pattern,
thus they shall be connected with something.

Manifest plainness, embrace simplicity,
Reduce selfishness, have less desires,
abandon learning, have no worries.

-The Dao De Jeng Chapter 19

(Special thanks to Dr. Wong.)

NO, you can't drive! And you're no good at mopping either!

President Obama told a Democratic fundraising event in New York late Thursday that despite one of the busiest and most accomplished legislative sessions in recent memory, he witnessed "our friends on the other side of the aisle fall all over themselves to argue otherwise."
 From holding up nominees to proposing frivolous amendments and gumming up committee hearings, the Republicans have tried nearly any tactic they could conceive to block progressive reforms. Last night, President Obama delivered a pointed and sharp political critique of Republicans. The president compared Republicans to bad drivers who once drove the car into a ditch and now want the keys back:
OBAMA: After they drove the car into the ditch, made it as difficult as possible for us to pull it back, now they want to keys back. No! You can’t drive! We don’t want to have to go back into the ditch. We just got the car out.

At the fundraiser, President Obama used one of his routine formulas to describe the antagonism in Washington between the two major political parties.
"We got our mops and our brooms out, we're cleaning stuff out, and they're sitting there saying, 'Hold the broom better. That's not how you mop.'
"Don't tell me how to mop. Pick up a mop! Do some work on behalf of the American people to solve some of these problems," he told some 185 guests gathered at the prestigious St Regis Hotel in Manhattan.
The president accused Republicans of doing "their best to gum up the works; to make things look broken; to say 'no' to every single thing."
Obama has claimed a major victory this year with the passage of historic health care legislation, despite unanimous Republican opposition to the bill.
Republicans this year have successfully used legislative delaying tactics, forcing Obama's fellow Democrats through a tortuous process to pass major legislation.
The president said that with just six months left before crucial mid-term elections in November, Republicans were hoping to sweep several seats in the Senate and House of Representatives through their obstructionism.
"Their basic attitude has been: 'If the Democrats lose, we win.'"

 “You would have thought at a time of historic crisis that Republican leaders would have been more willing to help us find a way out of this mess,” Obama added. “Particularly since they created the mess.” Watch it:






The Orthodoxy of Eternal Torment: HELL NO!!

At no point in my life would I have ever thought that I would write in the defense of an old-school, Bible belt, TBN-Pentecostal minister -who is deeply rooted in Oral Roberts University. I would have given a strong no if asked to do this a few weeks ago. Amazingly, the story of Carlton Pearson has inspired me to do just this.

Feel free to listen to the entirety of the radio. It is rather interesting. But here’s the skinny: Pearson was born, bred, and thriving in Bible-belt, turn-or-burn, Pentecostalism. Getting other people away from hell was his job. He had full-time mega church ministry complete with a spot on TBN. He was a spiritual protégé of Oral Roberts and mentor to T.D. Jakes. One day, Pearson had a mystical experience and realized that he could no longer believe in Hell. He abandoned this doctrine in favor of Universalism (everyone goes to heaven. There is no hell.), and consequently found himself ostracized by his congregation and his peers. He was branded a heretic, and is regarded as such today.

I should probably remove any doubts or confusions about what I am actually defending here. I am not, of course defending TBN itself or Oral Roberts University. This will become even clearer later. Furthermore, I am not defending universalism itself. Neither am I defending Pearsons current ministry at a Unitarian church. I think Unitarianism is silly. One of my favorite stories, that turned into running joke, was the dead-locked Unitarian church meeting: they couldn’t agree to a statement of faith. What I am defending is premise that universalism (whether right or wrong) is not a heresy, or a violation of faith. Conversely, I am saying that a belief in hell is not an essential for Christianity.

Now back to the story. Pearson was a successful, humorous, and loved minister. He, a black man, lead a church that integrated both black and white people in a place like Tulsa. He rubbed shoulders with the best of the fundies. He also was not dumb. He was well read and understood Greek. However, not everything was right. In the late 1990s he had particular experience. In Pearson’s own words:
I was watching the evening news [covering conflict in Rwanda] I’m watching these little kids with swollen little bellies, it looks like their skins is stretched across their skeletal remains, their hair is kinda red from malnutrition the babies are got flies in the corners of their eyes and their mouths. They reach for their mother’s breasts and the mother’s breasts looks like a pencil, hanging there…there’s no milk…and I say, “God, I don’t know how you can call yourself a loving sovereign God, and allow people to suffer this way and then suck them right into hell.” (which was what my assumption) and I heard a voice within me say, “So that’s what you think we’re doing?” [I answered] “That’s what I’ve been taught.”

Pearson felt that God asked him, rhetorically, if you think they’re going to hell, then why not go preach the Gospel to them? This was too much for Pearson to accept, as he had already been a minister for forty years. He knew he couldn’t save the whole world. What he believed, after this short conversation with God, was that humans make their own hells –but God eventually brings everyone into his presence. God’s work of salvation and atonement applies to everyone. He said, “for the first time in my life I did not see God as the inventor of Hell.”

This led to some problematic conclusions. If there is no hell, there is no need to accept Jesus to escape it. Likewise, there was no need to go to church. Everyone is going to heaven. This led to some serious problems. His church attendance shrank. Pearson and his pastoral staff parted ways, because they could no longer understand each other. Those who followed him were considered damned by many. He eventually moved his church, where his congregants are accosted by others who feel like they still need to be saved. Oral Roberts became silent on his association with him now. T.D. Jakes became distant.

Why believe in hell? There were a number of answers that kept coming up in the radio show. One of them was that even though believing in hell is an offense, people needed to remember that God makes the rules. Even if we don’t like it, we must not re-write the Bible whether we like it or not. This is not a good reason to believe in hell. First, no one is re-writing the Bible. Pearson and many universalists believe that their interpretation of the Bible is right. It is no more of a re-writing of the Bible than anything else that Pentecostal movement has done. Secondly, “God makes the rules” is an idiomatic way of saying, “Things are right or wrong because God says so.” This is one answer to the Euthyphro question. It is not an premise that all Christians accept. It has to be decided before people feel they can use it to brute force a belief in Hell’s orthodoxy.

There is another reason why it is really important to believe in hell: it keeps people coming to your church. This was clear, as when Pearson denounced hell, many people left. One youth pastor, who still attends Pearson’s church, commented that a fear of hell is one of the first things he remembered learning. It was through this fear that he kept going. Later, he said that if you remove the “requirements” and the threat of hell a church will thin out and some people will be “out of a job.” Even as he described all this, he chuckled at it.

Why does this not strike more people as absurd? Hell is the appeal to fear that keeps people loving God? Personally, I cannot imagine serving God out of a fear of hell anymore. I will say this of fear appeals: If your church needs a cosmic appeal to fear to keep people motivated to attend, serve, and evangelize, than you need to really re-think the church and what the Gospel is. Christianity is supposed to offer good things to the world. Faith is to be sustained by love and hope. Appeals to fear will eventually wear off, but a church that offers love to the world will be sustained and fulfill its mission for the Gospel, and no The Gospel is not simply “keep people out of hell.”

What about the alternatives? What about people who still attend Pearson’s church? What I have noticed about both Pearson and his one of his congregants is that they seem sensitive to Christian charity. Pearson’s experience with the Rwandans on TV was motivated out of a need to understand God’s love in the face of evil. His church, right now, has opened the door to people who were ostracized by their families and the charismatic Christendom of Tulsa. When one of his congregants was accosted by those who criticize Pearson and his church, she realized how insensitive such kind of evangelicalism really is. Though it irritates her, she feels compassion for the people who still are motivated by a fear of hell.

There is another irony. People who ostracize Pearson and his followers are still following one of his former protégés, T.D. Jakes. T.D. Jakes still holds the to the doctrine of hell, but his oneness Pentecostal background has made him hazy on the Trinity. Though Jakes says he believes in the Trinity, his descriptions sound more like modalism to me and many others. This really bothers me. How is it that a belief in hell is considered an essential for faith, but the Trinity can be replaced with modalism in everything but name? This demands an entire blog in itself, but I am still stunned that dogma about hell is more important too many people than The Trinity.

Now is Pearson a wrong or right in his universalism? That’s not the point of this blog. The point of this blog is to show that I think there is a serious problem. Dogma about hell should not be not an essential for the Christian faith if its justifications are fear appeals or “God says so.” Furthermore, those who insist on it hurt their case when they fail to show Christian charity, whether that be by ostracizing people like Pearson or accosting members of his church. Hell is not an essential Christian doctrine. Let no Christian worship because of fear of it.

Is Elena Kagan GAY?? The righties want to know....

Here we go! 

Solicitor General Elena Kagan was nominated today for the Supreme Court. Ms. Kagan happens to be an unmarried woman who has not publicly commented on her sexuality( I didn't know she had to!) PLUS...she supports LGBT rights. OMG, (((((shudder))) could she be a lesbian??? The righties are making assumptions about her personal life, they are saying if she's a lesbian she is certainly NOT FIT to serve as a justice.  Last month CBS news published an online column by GOP operative Ben Domenech which called Kagan the "first openly gay justice".  The White House demanded CBS pull down the post saying the site was applying old stereotypes to single women with successful careers. We all know how the righties feel about "those kinds of women".  Successful??  Hell no, barefoot and pregnant is how they like their women, (unless you're one who doesn't like woman, and your preference is young men) Which brings me to the hypocritical Focus on the Family, now they are fine, I assume, with closeted gays in the GOP, but....God forbid a LESBIAN justice??? 
More hypocritical news, the far-right American Family Association (notice how these right-wing groups have Family in their title?) says the media should come right out and ask Kagan if she is gay, and if she obliged and said yes then she should not serve on the court:
  It’s time we got over the myth that what a public servant does in his private life is of no consequence. We cannot afford to have another sexually abnormal individual in a position of important civic responsibility, especially when that individual could become one of nine votes in an out of control oligarchy that constantly usurps constitutional prerogatives to unethically and illegally legislate for 300 million Americans.
The stakes are too high. Social conservatives must rise up as one and say no lesbian is qualified to sit on the Supreme Court. Will they?

What did they say? No sexually abnormal individual in a position of important civic responsibility?? When will the Social Conservatives rise up and say NO closeted GAYS in the GOP. ALL gays raise your hands!

Americans for Truth also put out a statement....Kagan needs to answer the question, "are you or were you a practicing homosexual or do you consider yourself gay?" They want NO gays on the court, it will cause a conflict of interest and the gay person will be biased in certain areas. What if gay groups said "NO straight people on the court because of a conflict of interest".  

If you are gay you are a second class citizen? You can't make wise and unbiased decisions? Damn....

I can't believe I am typing these words, this is 2010, not 1950. Why are we talking about a persons sexuality? The right never talks about REAL qualifications, they must ALWAYS inject sex in every thing they do, every decision they make is based on sexuality. They have severe problems. But no wonder, look at their  "party of perversion".

Just how low will the right go?

UPDATED:
Here are a few things you should know about Elena Kagan:
  • 1. Elena Kagan was the first female dean of Harvard Law in the school's 186-year history. During her tenure, she fostered consensus among differing viewpoints, promoted a diversity of opinions, and encouraged a respectful exchange of ideas, earning her great admiration among the student body. She also instituted a financial program that encouraged and assisted students in choosing careers in public service.
  • 2. If confirmed, Kagan will be the fourth woman ever seated on the nation’s highest court. And, for the first time, the Supreme Court would have three women serving together.
  • 3. In 2009 Kagan was confirmed with bipartisan support as the first female solicitor general of the United States. As solicitor general she represents the U.S. government before the Supreme Court. When she was nominated, every solicitor general from the past 25 years—both Democrats and Republicans—wrote a letter of support, noting Kagan’s “brilliant intellect,” “candor,” and the “high regard in which she is held by persons of a wide variety of political and social views.”
  • 4. Kagan has stood up for the rights of ordinary citizens and shareholders against corporations in her work as solicitor general. And even though she knew the odds were long, Kagan chose Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission as the first case she argued before the Supreme Court, defending campaign finance reform against special interests spending unlimited money in an attempt to influence elections.
  • 5. Kagan studied history at Princeton University and later attended Harvard Law School, where she served on the Harvard Law Review. After graduation, Kagan clerked for Judge Abner Mikva on the U.S. Court of Appeals and Justice Thurgood Marshall on the Supreme Court. She credits Marshall with reminding her that “behind law there are stories—stories of people’s lives as shaped by law, stories of people’s lives as might be changed by law.”
  • 6. President Obama and Elena Kagan were colleagues at the University of Chicago Law School in the 1990s before Kagan joined Harvard Law. As an academic, her scholarship focused on issues ranging from freedom of speech to government policy making—issues that have had a profound effect on daily life.
  • 7. Kagan is the granddaughter of immigrants and grew up in a family that emphasized service to others. Her parents were the first members of her family to attend college, and both parents taught their daughter the value of public service. Kagan’s father was a housing lawyer who fought for tenants’ rights. Her mother was a public school teacher. Kagan would follow in both parents’ footsteps, becoming both a lawyer and a teacher and inspiring the next generation of public servants.

Word as Wordle is BACK!!!

Hello dear friends, I am still blogging on the Rectory Wanderings blog for now, but I thought I would add a new Wordle for Sunday's Gospel reading.

The Gospel is from John 17:20-26 and I am preaching at All, Saints, Hampton on Sunday. One thing that strikes me is about the intimate nature of the love between Father and Son and that that intimate love is available to us and is a tangible characteristic of the missional God. More to come I am sure...

The reading is:

John 17:20-26

‘I ask not only on behalf of these, but also on behalf of those who will believe in me through their word, that they may all be one. As you, Father, are in me and I am in you, may they also be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. The glory that you have given me I have given them, so that they may be one, as we are one, I in them and you in me, that they may become completely one, so that the world may know that you have sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. Father, I desire that those also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory, which you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world.
 ‘Righteous Father, the world does not know you, but I know you; and these know that you have sent me. I made your name known to them, and I will make it known, so that the love with which you have loved me may be in them, and I in them.

Here's the wordle...

The Lizard speaks...

This is from Think Progress in it's entirety, sorry 'bout that but I'm way busy tonight! I thought it was a good read and lizard never fails to entertain. Such a dumb-ass blonde. Who listens to her anyway?? For your enjoyment I've added a link to her take on the Times Square terrorist. Wow the lizard is ona roll today!

Liz Cheney Perpetuates Greek ‘Bailout’ Myth, Says U.S. Should Adopt Greek-Like Austerity Measures

Conservatives have responded to the massive economic crisis in Greece — which is spreading to the rest of Europe — by trying to score political points against President Obama’s domestic economic policies. This morning on Fox News Sunday, host Chris Wallace and Liz Cheney pushed the myth that the United States was “bailing out” Greece, and Cheney even suggested that America adopt Greek-like austerity measures to counter the budget deficit:

CHENEY: When you look at the question over whether the US tax payer ought to be contributing to bailing out Greece, I think you also got to say wait a second at the same time that we are looking to put $7 billion to bail out Greece… we’ve got the same types of policies being put in place here in the United States that frankly are much more likely to lead us down the path that we see Greece on.

Mara Liasson pushed back, noting that the notion that the U.S. was bailing out Greece was nothing more than a great conservative “talking point.” Watch it:

The U.S. — along with many other countries– is a contributor to the International Monetary Fund, which serves as a lender of last resort to countries in crisis in order to prevent these crises from spreading worldwide. By Cheney’s standard every Administration in the last 60 years since the IMF was created, including the Nixon, Reagan, and Bush administrations, have “bailed out” countries.

Cheney’s suggestion that the United States adopt the kind of “austerity” measures being enacted in Greece, moreover, would lead to absolute economic catastrophe. Greece is expected to experience massive economic contraction and if the U.S. were to follow that approach, it would fall back into a deep recession.

Still, Cheney contends that America’s deficits will lead to a Greek-like tragedy. But as Marshal Auerback notes, the problem isn’t Greece’s debt per say but its inability to service that debt, because it both doesn’t control its currency (the Euro) and because its economy is contracting. The United States is in no danger of defaulting — the American economy is growing and due to fears over the Euro, investors are boosting the value of the dollar.

In fact, what the crisis has actually shown is the failure of conservative approaches to economic crises. Contrary to most conceptions, Germany’s leadership has long adopted a conservative approach to the crisis, resisting economic stimulus or providing economic support to other European countries. As a result, the crisis has gotten worse and now threatens to spread to other Southern European countries, putting the Euro currency and the entire global economy at risk. German Chancellor Angela Merkel has finally awoken to the danger and has now belatedly agreed to a massive bailout for Greece – one that is considerably larger than what would have been needed if she acted sooner.

But conservatives in America are still holding on to their failed economic dogma. As Dave Weigel notes, “Greece is the new France” meaning that “Greece is now the nation whose name Republicans invoke to make the case against Democratic policies.”

Liz Cheney criticizes administration for its "first instinct" to Mirandize Times Square suspect.  More of the same bullcrap from Lizard....

CHENEY: When the administration captures a terrorist and their first instinct is to inform him that he’s got the right to remain silent, that is exactly the wrong way to win this war.

The bikini chart is becoming lopsided, and thats a GOOD thing!

Today, the Bureau of Labor Statistics announced that the U.S. economy added a better than expected 290,000 jobs last month. The BLS also revised the jobs number for both February and March upwards, putting both of those months into the black in terms of job creation. (Due to 805,00 discouraged workers “feeling better about their prospects” and resuming their search for work, the unemployment rate actually ticked up to 9.9 percent.)

 Unemployment  rate is at 9.9, up from 9.7, so what is going on? The paragraph above explained it but the GOP likes to explain it in different terms. Gov. Pawlenty says the job growth is mostly government jobs. " The idea that government grows the economy when all they really do is extract money from taxpayers, bring it into the bureaucracy and put it back out into the economy on a political agenda is not growth". Typical rethug talking points, so lame...

Sen. McConnell says the stimulus bill did little or nothing to stimulate the private sector, but probably saved state government jobs.

Boehner slobbered as he said the president promised that 90% of the jobs saved or created would be private sector jobs, he also thinks most of the "so-called" jobs are government jobs.


Gov. Barbour bellows "we need private sector jobs", state government has benefited from the stimulus because it's poured in billions of dollars.


and last but not least, Eric Can't Cantor says "we've got to start focusing not just on jobs but on private sector jobs" DUH...


Aren't the rethug talking points sooooo boring?? Shouldn't the GOP be excited at these new numbers? They would be if we had a republican in the White House, now wouldn't they? 


In actuality, and what the GOP decides to ignore, is that of the 290,000 jobs created in April,  231,000
of them were in the private sector! The private sector has added 523,000 new jobs in 2010. This includes 44,000 manufacturing jobs, the biggest number since August 1998!  So folks, April was the strongest month for jobs growth since March, 2006. 

Now GOP'ers, I'm not an economist but I can read a bikini chart, can you?? 


disgusting, blatantly racist and simply outrageous....

This despicable piece from a weekly newspaper, Smithtown Messenger on New York's Long Island, BTW, lisa and all the Malcontents hail from there. OH shit, I just thought of something.... what if lisa is one of the malcontents????!
Anyway, this paper has chosen to do a pictorial of the last 6 presidents including the Obamas. These are before and afters BUT all presidents and wives have real pictures except of course for the Obamas. Phillip Sciarello, publisher and part owner defended the decision to publish the photos of the Obamas as Sanford and Son characters. I find it in poor taste, as well as highly offensive and probably racist too!

What is wrong with ignorant people?? Didn't they learn from the other offensive pictures from past newspapers??

The controversy prompted the Brookhaven town board to remove one of the Messenger's sister publications, the Brookhaven Review, as an official newspaper, meaning it will no longer publish town government legal notices.
"The reference to racial stereotypes is where the line was crossed," Brookhaven Supervisor Mark Lesko told Newsday in Wednesday's editions. Lesko, a Democrat, did not immediately return a call for comment.
A Suffolk County legislator, DuWayne Gregory of Amityville, said he will propose a resolution to drop the Messenger as an official county paper at next week's meeting of the Legislature.
Hazel N. Dukes, president of the state NAACP conference, said in a statement Wednesday that the county should immediately pull advertising from any publication that ran the photo.
"It is simply shocking and outrageous that such a blatantly racist ad would run in any paper, much less an official paper of Suffolk County," Dukes said. "New Yorkers of all races and ethnicity are disgusted by it and reject it."
Tracey Edwards, the NAACP's Long Island regional director, described the portrayal of the Obamas as "despicable and disrespectful. If this was intended as satire, it misses the mark."

oh no, say it ain't so, Joe! The Plummer is getting his feet wet, into politics he goes!

TOLEDO, Ohio - Joe the Plumber is plunging into party politics.
Samuel "Joe" Wurzelbacher (WUR'-zuhl-bah-kur), who was hailed by Republican John McCain's presidential campaign in 2008, has won one of nearly 400 seats on the local Republican Party committee in Ohio's Lucas County.
The group elects the county chairman and sets the party agenda. Wurzelbacher won the seat by a 38-24 vote Tuesday in his suburban Toledo precinct.
He became an overnight sensation almost two years ago after questioning then-Sen. Barack Obama on the campaign trail about his economic policies and then when McCain repeatedly cited "Joe the Plumber" in a debate.
Wurzelbacher has since written a book and spoken at conservative gatherings.

Is this what right wing politics is resorting to? I know its just a republican party committee but it is kinda funny. Who knows, in a few years he could have the backing of the GOP and a nomination for president, NO, not of the committee, of the USA!! They ain't got much else goin' for 'em these days...

Outrageous accusations... more of the same

Right-wing attendees at Heritage event applaud the idea that Obama is a ‘domestic enemy.’

This morning, House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-VA) delivered a national security screed at the Heritage Foundation, a DC-based conservative think tank. Politicizing the recent failed terror attack in NYC, Cantor said, “America is at risk of slipping into the type of false sense of security which prevailed before that September morning.” He attacked Obama for “apolog[izing] on behalf of America” and for being “naïve.” Cantor’s hyperbolic address stirred the passions of the crowd. One attendee at the Heritage event asked Cantor why Obama should not be considered a “domestic enemy”:
QUESTION: My question is – and this is something I personally don’t understand – if it’s a naïve question then I apologize: in light of what Obama has done to leave us vulnerable, to cut defense spending, to make us vulnerable to outside enemies, and to slight our allies, how (pause) – what would he have to do differently to be defined as a domestic enemy? (applause)
CANTOR: Listen, let me respond very forthright to that: you know, no one thinks the President is a domestic enemy. (boos)
After the anonymous attendee asked his question, the crowd applauded and laughed. Cantor even smiled before responding to the question. Because he refused to call Obama a “domestic enemy,” many in the crowd treated Cantor to a smattering of boos.

What is wrong with these people??? When they criticize President Obama, when they try and vilify him, what they are doing is defaming the NYPD, The NYC citizens, the FBI, Homeland Security, ALL of which did a superb job in thwarting a terrorist attack in NYC and arresting 30 yr. old Faisal Shahzad, a naturalized American citizen from Pakistan! 


John McCain, yes that McCain who is fighting for his senate seat, has the audacity to say "don't Mirandize this man til we find out as much information as possible. In the meantime deputy FBI Director John Pistole said Shahzad has been cooperating with investigators before and after he was read his legal rights, his MIRANDA RIGHTS.  "Suffice it to say that he provided valuable information and intelligence and evidence during that time and then, as the attorney general noted, he was Mirandized [read him his legal rights] later and continued to cooperate and provide valuable information," he said.

Isn't that amazing righties?? See President Obama and Democrats CAN do a great job with National Security issues. But sadly they get no praise, just more of the same idiotic rhetoric such as what Eric Cantor shamelessly spews to rile the base of Obama haters. 
Nobody is "slipping into a false sense of security"
President Obama IS NOT apologizing on behalf of America, and he IS NOT NAIVE!!
It's all right wing delusion...



House Minority Whip Eric Cantor said the U.S. should 'rededicate itself' to a foreign and defense policy that seeks 'peace through strength' and 'standing up for democratic and peaceful allies.'


House Minority Whip Eric Cantor said the U.S. should 'rededicate itself' to a foreign and defense policy that seeks 'peace through strength' and 'standing up for democratic and peaceful allies.
House Minority Whip Eric Cantor said the U.S. should 'rededicate itself' to a foreign and defense policy that seeks 'peace through strength' and 'standing up for democratic and peaceful allies.'


the GOP are polluting our Earth!

Help me here right wingers, republicans, those who like to say they believe Gods word. Doesn't the bible say not to pollute the land and the water? I think it does. Why then does the party of God say drill baby drill, and when we have a disaster of biblical proportion that is polluting our earth, the right wing republicans are silent? Oh, except for the ones who are blaming President Obama for the disaster.  The party of God, they are against all God actually asks of them. They fight anything involving the health of our environment, they fight  climate change, they stand up for drilling that is polluting the oceans....  I'm confused....

 Now for a tribute to the 11 workers who died in the explosion, their names are Jason Anderson, Aaron Dale Burkeen, Donald Clark, Stephen Curtis, Roy Wyatt Kemp, Karl Kleppinger, Gordon Jones, Blair Manuel, Dewey Revette, Shane Roshto, and Adam Weise. I don't here anyone talking about these men and the horrific way they died.
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